An idea to get around the TAS ghost issue

[nasrani]

I have no idea how TAS works so this may not work at all.

Here's the idea: make a track with a slow, ten second wheelie that then leads into the track, but specify that if you're a REAL ONE you won't race past that wheelie section. The race begins at the first checkpoint, after the wheelie.

Would it be possible to make a ghost using TAS that wouldn't skip the wheelie section to create the fastest route?

[Ness]

there’s a few different versions of TAS, using any tool outside of the game as it was meant to be played is considered TAS (tool-assisted speedrun).

there’s a little bit of gray-area. using the spacebar to slow your movement for better reaction time is generally accepted as not cheating, slowing your game down with lag is more frowned upon, something like an auto-spacebar mod would be considered TAS. I imagine those are some of the most common forms. a wheelie section would not stop them in any physical sense, just in more of an honor system sense.

as long as there’s a leaderboard, players will try to find a way to hack it. but pie and I have a few ideas for ghosting on fr.app that would shake things up a bit. the biggest priority would be making it fun and as fair as possible, so hopefully we can succeed at that

[nasrani]

Oh I see. I thought it was a tool that somehow generated a speed run rather than creating a tool-assisted way of manually racing very quickly. That makes it a lot more complicated